# Rock Hill Honey Bee Farms



## BClemens

He sent us dead bees, even a dead queen. Now he is stonewalling us with making a claim to UPS - who isn't going to do a thing and he knows it. He basically screwed my wife and me out of the money for a package of bees. His name is Jerry Mattiaccio of www.rockhillhoneybeefarms-inc. His email is [email protected] - now isn't that ironic!


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## matt1954

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Mr. Clemens I cannot assist you if you dont follow the instructions. Please file your claim with UPS as anyone else with a valid claim must do. As several people can attest we run a reputable business. You automatically assumed today when you received your bees that I was a schiester and filed immediately for a refund through paypal. Paypal denied your refund. Please be sure to articulate all the facts, as I do. Thank you.


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## BClemens

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We read you loud and clear. I sent you photos of your dead bee shipment and you are basically denying it? This is the most response we have received from you regarding this late and now totally unacceptable shipment of a package of bees. You are basically hedging us out of an honest deal by first shipping them late then shipping dead bees. Then you wish to expound on what is valid? Either you are reputable or you are not - you decide what the correct thing to do would be -don't pass it off onto an innocent company who made your delivery for you. You made the shipment not me my claim means nothing to UPS just as our business means nothing to you.


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## [email protected]

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BClemens said:


> We read you loud and clear. I sent you photos of your dead bee shipment and you are basically denying it? This is the most response we have received from you regarding this late and now totally unacceptable shipment of a package of bees. You are basically hedging us out of an honest deal by first shipping them late then shipping dead bees. Then you wish to expound on what is valid? Either you are reputable or you are not - you decide what the correct thing to do would be -don't pass it off onto an innocent company who made your delivery for you. You made the shipment not me my claim means nothing to UPS just as our business means nothing to you.


Lighten up Man! The postal service has serious problems handling bees and regularly kills them. That is why they are only insured to certain zones. You will need to file a claim with them. Don't blame the shipper. I doubt anyone would place dead bees in the postal system.


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## BClemens

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UPS not USPS.... and there is no insurance on this package - even though we probably paid enough to have had insurance placed on the shipment. 

Lightweight is being screwed - heavy weight is the screw-er...

Would you ship live bees on a Friday through UPS? I was hoping for success when he said that this was the case but if it is and has been successful - then why are 90% of these bees and the queen dead? (probably closer to 95% dead)


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## Barry

Please refrain from using inflammatory language. Please read: http://www.beesource.com/forums/showthread.php?239589-Purpose-of-the-Consumer-Report-Forum-Please-Read

This issue is still unfolding, so you are obliged to remain civil and continue working towards a solution.


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## BClemens

Sorry, I used the 'D' word......(usually just say 'darn' - just got excited) I did do the read - slipped .... won't happen again..

Respectfully....


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## tsk

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Doesn't the shipper have to file the claim with UPS? After all the shipper is the one who paid UPS and is actually the client. They are also the one who UPS will write the claim check to.



matt1954 said:


> Mr. Clemens I cannot assist you if you dont follow the instructions. Please file your claim with UPS as anyone else with a valid claim must do. As several people can attest we run a reputable business. You automatically assumed today when you received your bees that I was a schiester and filed immediately for a refund through paypal. Paypal denied your refund. Please be sure to articulate all the facts, as I do. Thank you.


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## AstroBee

I don't know all the details, but its HIGHLY likely that these bees died in transport. I can't imagine that someone knowingly shipped a dead package. As explained, your claim should be with UPS.


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## buckrube

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I made the same mistake and ordered from rock hills to, I have a good friend who works with ups and the shipper is the one who has to make the claim. He called me this morning to tell me my 3 packages had come in, went to pick them up and the three packages were not nailed together, no label for them to keep upright, all three packages over 2 inches of dead bees, covered with sugar syrup. Took pictures and emailed them, tried calling no answer.


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## matt1954

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We are dealing with an issue where UPS indicates that something went wront at Jacksonville, UPS Collection Center. We have emailed everyone to let them know about the situation. Some received packages in good condition, and others did not. It is really an unfortunate situation that is unfolding in the last 24 hours. We are talking about almost 325 packages. it takes time to contact everyone. We are working it and trying to resolve it and we have communicated via email to everyone. There is no way we would send dead bees. Thanks. 

Jerry Mattiaccio


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## Rader Sidetrack

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BClemens said:


> Would you ship live bees on a Friday through UPS?


Here's a link to UPS rules about shipping live animals, which includes bees:
http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/re...delines/animals.html?srch_pos=1&srch_phr=bees


> *Service Type*
> 
> Live animals will only be accepted for transportation when shipped by a UPS service that guarantees delivery the next day.


As I understand this requirement, shipping bees on a Friday would require the shipper to select _Saturday Delivery_, which results an extra charge, over and above that of _Next Day_ service. 

Checking the tracking number online should tell you the ship date, and whether Saturday Delivery was selected.


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## twd8711

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maybe you should have thought of "what if" before you took orders for all those bees, there really is no excuse for not contacting people rite away there is a lot more to bee keeping than trying to make a quick dollar, how do i fit into this, i bought bees from you and when i was there i asked your wife a couple of questions which she couldnt answer and i had to question your operation, then 3 of the 6 had bad queens and i called to see if i could get replacements, and you just never called back. every year somebody trys to sell packages that has no clue of the downfalls and ends up screwing innocent people. what a shame.


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## beemaster01

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Hey, Jerry Mattiaccio is the same character posting on Long Creek Apiaries thread. Doesn't that tell everyone something?


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## Michael Bush

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From the UPS page on live animals:

"Any package containing a live animal shall be considered a perishable commodity and will be accepted for transportation solely at the shipper´s risk for any damage or loss arising from the perishable nature of the item. UPS shall not be liable for any special, incidental, or consequential damages."


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## BClemens

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Looks like this shipper (Jerry Mattiaccio) is responsible and now will need to return the money taken from these folks who bought in good faith from him. Either that or make good on the dead bee packages. My contention is that even if these bees were shipped on Friday and we received them on Tuesday - there would not have been this amount of mortality - these bees were dead before being shipped. If Jerry Mattiaccio didn't ship them and they were drop shipped, then the problem is a much larger but still the total and sole responsibility of Jerry Mattiaccio and his 'Rock Hill Bee' business.

All my wife and I wanted was a package of bees - not this sort of hassle..... We bought from him in good faith now he is shirking any responsibility and is telling us to take it up with UPS. Is there a name for a guy like this?


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## BClemens

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matt1954 said:


> We are dealing with an issue where UPS indicates that something went wront at Jacksonville, UPS Collection Center. We have emailed everyone to let them know about the situation. Some received packages in good condition, and others did not. It is really an unfortunate situation that is unfolding in the last 24 hours. We are talking about almost 325 packages. it takes time to contact everyone. We are working it and trying to resolve it and we have communicated via email to everyone. There is no way we would send dead bees. Thanks.
> 
> Jerry Mattiaccio



My wife and I NEVER received any communication from Jerry Mattiaccio so we attempted to contact him - he's too busy to be bothered! Jerry, you are not so reputable as you would like folks to believe because of what you have done. People like you will usually trip up and folks will see the truth - you just cannot keep cheating people and get away with it....


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## BClemens

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WOW! According to the UPS tracking number, these bees have been in shipment since April 26th - a full week! Shipped April 26th and delivered at 2PM May1st. No wonder they are dead! This is criminal! These bees should have been shipped Next Day or at least Second Day and also I have found that I cannot claim on these since I am not the shipper. We have really been had!

If everyone gave this 'dealer' $123.33 for the stated 325 packages; that's over $40,000.00 !! Money brings the best out in some people.... it's that greed thing again. Severe greed.

BTW Jerry: We are relentless and will keep speaking out about this until you correct the wrong doing! The money back will shut us up.....that's $123.33 put back into the PayPal account that you took it from long before you shipped the bees. PayPal will be revisiting this 45 day policy of theirs on these sorts of prepay deals - especially on bees. You have set a number of wheels in motion with your greed. We spend thousands through PayPal - they will listen to us. Now - put the money back.... all of it.


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## twd8711

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keep the phones ringing and his email box full, (540) 752 2953, cell (703) 595 1179, [email protected]. most times i think these type of people think that most customers are beginners and wont do much about a bad product, but if you keep up the pressure he will soon be where he belongs, in the court room.


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## Daniel Y

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Matt, I hate to inform you as it reveals you have actually done very little to resolve this. But you are the customer to UPS. You purchased their service and it is your place to file a claim. Not your customer. It is obvious to me that you have not even begun to take action to resolve this. Secondly your issues with UPS are not your customers problems. Your obligation is to get bees to them which is what they paid for. Very poor handling of this situation on your part. UPS let you down, that does not exempt you from acting in every way can with credibility. Sorry but you have failed miserably. It would have been better for you to simply tell your customer you are doing what you can to find out what happened and what can be done. Insurance protects you not the customer. If you didn't buy it then live with the risk. Your customer is now irate due to the service of your choice of carriers. I don't agree with how your customer is acting but that is their choice and obvious one possible outcome from a situation like this. If you have replied to me that this situation was in any part mine to resolve. I would quickly tell you my only obligation was to make payment, Period. and once that was done I have every right to expect what I paid for. what hoops you have to jump through to get it done is not my problem.
Sorry but I simply see you as out of line in your response to your customer and much evidence you are being deceptive or trying to pass the buck.


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## Daniel Y

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beemaster01 said:


> Hey, Jerry Mattiaccio is the same character posting on Long Creek Apiaries thread. Doesn't that tell everyone something?


And how many people are really surprised that this guys methods of ripping people off has not ended. I posted in that thread that his latest posts where just one more way to convince people to part with their money Leopards do not change their spots.


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## NDnewbeek

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Michael Bush said:


> From the UPS page on live animals:
> 
> "Any package containing a live animal shall be considered a perishable commodity and will be accepted for transportation solely at the shipper´s risk for any damage or loss arising from the perishable nature of the item. UPS shall not be liable for any special, incidental, or consequential damages."


This is the single biggest reason I NEVER use UPS for deliveries to my location anymore. My location is considered an 'outpost' by USPS and UPS. I have had problems getting queens and bees delivered by both USPS and UPS - but have had far more problems with UPS. Priority Mail is most reliable to my location - queens and packages (almost) always arrive in 3 days (this is the first year that I have had any problems with USPS Priority). 

I learned that with UPS - they will let you pay for the insurance, but then refer to the above policy when you have to make a claim.

I have to accept some risk when I order bees (either packages or queens) because of my location - USPS Priority has consistently been the lowest risk option. My only other option is to not ever order bees.


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## millerwb

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> 04-15-2012, 10:19 AM#352
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> matt1954
> 
> Join Date: Sep 2010Location: Stafford, VirginiaPosts: 86
> 
> Re: Dealings with Long Creek Apiaries
> 
> Perhaps the state of TN doesnt give a hoot, but the Federal Authorities will. I am retired federal and given the volume of posts, his misconduct must be above $50,000.00 which is the threshold. He is using the internet, mail, taking checks and credit cards, that is mail and wire fraud all federal crimes. What we need is one person to put this collectively together and take it to a United States Attorney. I know who to take this to so here is what I am willing to do. If you have paid and not received your money or your products, send me your name, dollar amount, email and phone number, and I will put a spreadsheet together. If we can get over the 50k, I will forward it to the appropriate federal authorities. Here is my email address: [email protected] Put Long Creek in the subject line. If 350 people post with a majority of them having negative views, coupled with an F rating at the BBB, then this is not someone down on his luck, this is done with malice and he should be stopped because his predatory ways on new and unsuspecting beekeepers will cause the rest of us trying hard to do it right to pay a hefty price. Lord knows this work is tough enough without wondering whether you are going to receive what you paid for.
> 
> Jerry Mattiaccio


Interesting.......


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## millerwb

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Daniel Y said:


> And how many people are really surprised that this guys methods of ripping people off has not ended.


Long Creek is/was in TN, Jerry is in VA. Different people, similar customer service. Looks like Jerry just might know the $$ threshold to keep himself out of really hot water....


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## matt1954

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Wow. We have had an issue with packages being shipped out of Blackshear GA that went through jacksonville Florida with several damaged and several dying in shipment. We are refunding our customers. This happened from April 27 to now. Our customers are being contacted and we have been addressing these issues with UPS. About 85 packages were involved in damage, die offs. No one from my company sent dead bees, or stole from anyone. An error has happened, and we are fixing it. This is indeed regrettable. We have sent packages for five years and it is the first time we have ever had a situation like this occur. However, it is also the first time we ever used UPS as well. Thank you. 

Jerry Mattiaccio


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## wolfpenfarm

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I don't know why anyone uses UPS. or Fed ex. They rarely cover loss of bees. I use the USPS at least i can get my money back if they arrive dead.
Why didn't the buyer pay the extra for insurance? I would have insisted on it. OR at least figured in the cost of insurance into the price of my bees.


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## Lorren

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Okay I need to add my two cents worth. I ordered my package and was part of the shipment UPS managed to mess up. In defense of Rock Hill they have sent out an email to all effected customers on filing a claim for a refund and have regularly updated by email. I had two packages ordered and one was fine the other was not. Jerry was very responsive to inquires with a reply usually within 24 hours. I went with Rock Hill on the suggestion of a fellow beekeeper in my area. He actually got an earlier shipment this year and was extremely pleased so I decided to try Rock Hill. I spoke with my local UPS guy and he said the reason for the customer to file a claim is because UPS will many times ask for the damaged (dead) package as proof for refund. According to my local UPS rep its actually common for it to be done this way as it makes it a quicker process then the shipper having to coordinate between UPS and the customer. I have never met Jerry but I have spoken with his wife when I was ordering and I thought she was very nice and extremely helpful. I think everyone is jumping to conclusions about this situation based on upset customer. I speaks volumes to me that a customer would go so far as to post the mans home phone but neglect to report the mans effort to email everyone and resolve the situation. I have no personal connection to Jerry or Rock Hill, but I think everyone should know the rest of the story that is conveniently being left out. They even sent out pictures of the damaged dead package received from UPS.

BClemens-I would venture a guess that you were part of the emails that went out as soon as the problem was discovered. The email came before I even knew there was a problem. Patience to allow the business to try to resolve the problem may have benefited you more then going on a rant. If you deny these facts, I will gladly post the emails sent to everyone by Rock Hill. It seems to me you just weren't getting the resolution as you deemed acceptable. Understand that with that many orders messed up by UPS if they were to call you and every other customer individually they would probably not have time to resolve the issue with UPS.


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## wolfpenfarm

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Lorren said:


> n going on a rant. If you deny these facts, I will gladly post the emails sent to everyone by Rock Hill. It seems to me you just weren't getting the resolution as you deemed acceptable. Understand that with that many orders messed up by UPS if they were to call you and every other customer individually they would probably not have time to resolve the issue with UPS.


Ok, its like this, i have used UPS to ship before, and the rules are that if you have a damage claim, the recipient or shipper can file the claim. The problem comes when UPS decides that they don't want to pay. That is why i refuse to use them and request anyone shipping to me not to use them.

Fed ex i think requires the shipper to file the claim. The post office i think requires the shipper to file the claim.
AND all of them will deny the claim if you do not notify them upon pickup or delivery that there is damage or the bees are dead.


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## Serenity Farm

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Two months ago I purchased two nucs from Rock Hill Honey Bee Farms and I have yet to receive them. I did receive an email two weeks ago about weather issues, but thought that they were to ship out the following week. I still have not received them, I have left messages, and emailed but no bees. I trust that the bees will come soon and hopefully in good condition as I paid for overnight shipping. If you see this post Jerry please respond.


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## matt1954

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Okay, I am happy to report that all affected customers have been refunded and we are in the process of resolving this issue with UPS. I am pleased that my customers have been taken care of, but they did not receive their bees and that makes them, and me, unsatisfied. We have shipped bees for several years. Bees die in shipment, but never to this extent. We have used the postal system each and every time except this year. When a UPS rep approached us and said we can get your bees to your customers faster we were all ears. Our customers want their bees soooner and pay handsomely for the service. But, as we now know, things went wrong. UPS is looking at thier policies and procedures and we will also take a lessons learned from this. One of them being, no shipping bees UPS next year. To my customers and everyone here on Beesource, I cannot apologize enough for what happened. I have provided the photos that UPS sent to my customers. UPS placed the bees in a glassed in building outside, closed the door for the weekend putting the bees together with no spacing. The temperature must have soared in that room, killing the bees. We were told the bees would be shipped out via truck that Friday and apparently were misinformed. 

Now, here is where I am displeased. Mr. Clemens emailed me today and believes that the moderator (Barry) here and I have conspired to have him banned from Beesource (his words) and as a result, he no longer wishes to have anything to do with bees. That is an absolute fallacy. I have had no contact with Barry throughout this whole process. I dont know him, nor would I ask him to have someone banned unless there was threatening behavior. This is an area that Mr. Clemons and I will have to disagree on along with his statement that we knowingly sent dead bees. I personally looked at every box of bees before they shipped along with J & J Honey and they were in excellent shaped when they shipped. 

What has upset me is the gentleman from Pennsylvania who posted our home phone number and encouraged people to call it. Whether such activity is a crime is still a matter for our prosecutor to resolve. Two people left death threats on our home phone. The Stafford County Sherrifs office is investigating and to my surprise, neither of the two who left the threats are customers! They didn't lose anything out of this deal, but now are going to endure legal fees and become "guests of the county for a short stay" for their actions. It defies logic. Among everything else we were faced with trying to resolve these issues, attempting to respond to a myriad of phone calls, emails, and coordinating with UPS, I had to deal with our local sherriff because two people saw our home phone number posted here and thought they would call as a prank and threaten us. As a retired federal law enforcement officer, this surprises even me. 

I truly am sorry that my customers endured these losses and I have made them financially whole. I cant bring the bees back to them, but we as a business did the next best thing. Wishing you all the best, 

Jerry Mattiaccio


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## buckrube

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I would like to thank Jerry, for saying he was going to refund my money, I recieved a refund check in the mail sat for the the three packages that died in shipping. Thanks again.

Gene Johnson


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## flyingbrass

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I got my check on Saturday for all the nucs. Thanks.


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## Barry

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matt1954 said:


> Mr. Clemens emailed me today and believes that the moderator (Barry) here and I have conspired to have him banned from Beesource (his words) and as a result, he no longer wishes to have anything to do with bees. That is an absolute fallacy. I have had no contact with Barry throughout this whole process. I dont know him, nor would I ask him to have someone banned unless there was threatening behavior. This is an area that Mr. Clemons and I will have to disagree on along with his statement that we knowingly sent dead bees.


Jerry -

Thanks for the updates. Sorry this happened to you. I confirm that we have had no correspondence except for what is posted here in this thread. Mr. Clemens was banned due to his unwillingness to work within the guidelines of this forum by making false allegations and being disrespectful in correspondence. Glad to hear UPS is active in helping you resolve the delivery issue(s).


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## matt1954

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I wanted to update everyone and to provide some information that UPS passed on to us. UPS paid all claims and we received three checks to settle the claims made to them for the dead bees. In total, a little over $11, 000.00. However, UPS made it clear, that they have a policy that bees are considered persihable items and therefore not reimbursable as part of the claims process. As such, they made an exception this time due to the clear and unmistakable error made by UPS in the Jacksonville office in placing the bees in the glass building which resulted in the bees dieing. We also had made it clear, that we were prepared to take this to court if needed. All of our customers were refunded well before we recieved the UPS refund. We will not utilize UPS in the future for shipping bees, queens, or Nucs. Once again, we apologize for the inconvenience to all our customers, and thank each and everyone of you who filed the claims with UPS. It really did make a difference!


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## Barry

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That's good to hear, Jerry! It's refreshing to see a problem handled right and followed up on. :thumbsup:


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## promo487

I just drove 2600 miles round trip to meet with this clown Jerry Mattiaccio www.rockhillhoneybeefarms-inc. I was to buy some deep singles. He tried to sell me the most pathetic looking hives I have seen. 6-7 frames of honey and a frame and a half of brood and bees. These were just thrown together at a moments notice. He hedged against refunding my deposit but he did, I had to make a scene in front of his other victims. I was told I was his most difficult customer. I guess asking questions and wanting a straight answer is too much trouble. There was another couple of guys there from Indianna, they had to root through all of the hives to find 24 that were only acceptable, the rest was garbage. Jerry Mattiaccio, the Florida Panhandler!


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## promo487

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twd8711 said:


> keep the phones ringing and his email box full, (540) 752 2953, cell (703) 595 1179, [email protected]. most times i think these type of people think that most customers are beginners and wont do much about a bad product, but if you keep up the pressure he will soon be where he belongs, in the court room.


He sets his victims up. I drove 2600 miles to buy deeps and has has total garbage. He must be thinking " Well, if they drive this far they don't want to go home empty" I found an awesome source of bees 2 hours away. He had crap. Jerry Mattiaccio
Scammer of Bees.


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## matt1954

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As the late/great Paul Harvey would say, here is the rest of the story. 

My wife and I contracted with Mr. Jim Truckey, above to purchase 60 colonies of bees from us in early April. We pushed the date one more week due to a matter I could not control. He was supposed to pick up bees on April 11, 2016. On Friday, April 8 while I was five hours away pulling honey, this wonderful gentleman calls and says he has an extremely drunk helper with him and wanted to be loaded that night so he could leave ASAP. I told him that there was no way I could do that and to please respect my time. 

On April 11 I met him at a hotel just outside the bee yard. I smelled alcohol on his assistant and asked him if this gentleman was "good to go". We were traveling onto my ranchers property and I didn't want there to be an incident as my rancher might be liable. He assured me all is well. 

Upon arrival, his assistant began to get belligerent and was using obscenities. It was 3 pm and they both were opening brand new bee suits and gloves. At this time, Jim Truckey tells me his vehicle won't haul 60 colonies. Only 36. He was using an escalade and a trailer. I've had no problems hauling singles with a Tahoe and trailer, but I deferred. Disappointed he didn't tell me prior so that I would not have moved the bees to a location close to the entrance of the property. Truckey was concerned about loading up at this time. I told him we could wait until nightfall. He went over and lifted the kids off two colonies and came to me and said, hey, there isn't enough brood in these boxes and I want my money back. I told him look thru and if you don't want them, we can replace them. There were 200 colonies about 250 yards away from where I had staged the bees. He decided he didn't want to do and wanted his money back. As I was assisting the other customer, Truckey became impatient demanding his money. I told him as soon as I was done with this customer I would take care of him. 

As I was refunding his money, he told me that he would buy from me next year. I told him not to bother as I don't have time for these antics.

Truckey then tried unsuccessfully to buy bees from other Florida bees telling people he was going to convert 50-60 colonies into 800 Nucs for his customers.

And Jim you should take caution in calling someone a scammer and avoid using only some of the facts. It makes you look foolish especially when your actions were observed by an objective third party.


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## promo487

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You also told me you had court the week you were supposed to provide them but you were buying package bees. That's another lie. Shall we continue?


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## matt1954

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Packages were picked up Tuesday. I had to testify in court on Thursday. As retired federal law enforcement I told you I was not blowing of court. Enough. I will deal with this in another way.


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